Forums User List Calendar Active Threads Forum Help: Previous Thread: Next Thread : Print Thread: Hop To : Page 3 of 3 : 1: 2: 3: Re: What if Texas hadn't joined the Union? He defended the raid, given the nature of similar groups that sprouted up in the past. save hide report. Texas was admitted to the Union in 1845, precipitating the Mexican-American war. hide. An update on major political events, candidates, and parties twice a week. It was a 2 second Google search. So, what if Texas had remained independent and never joined the United States? subscription yet. This message will appear once per week The early years of the United States had seen a great deal of debate over whether states could, in fact, legally withdraw from the Union. Get the Monitor Stories you care about delivered to your inbox. save. Mexico, which never officially recognized the independence of Texas, had threatened the U.S. with war if it annexed the state. The monthly meetings are considered to be joint-sessions of Congress, despite the fact that half of the Senate seats are unfilled, and most of the seats in the House of Representative are vacant. Texas Rangers escort a strongbox containing an original handwritten Texas Declaration of Independence and other historically significant Republic of Texas documents to the Star of the Republic Museum at Washington-on-the-Brazos State Historic Site, Feb. 28, 2006, in Washington, Texas. Members claim that they have a legitimate claim to govern the Republic. Texas (and the rest of the Confederacy) never left the Union during the Civil War, because a state cannot unilaterally secede from the United States. Despite the ongoing controversy and tension with police, he maintains that Texas never joined the U.S. Republic during the time referred to in history books — 1836 and 1845. log out. Texas joined the Union in 1845. It’s the radicals that I’m concerned about.”. Evidently, the raid on the Texas group that claims it never joined the U.S. Republic, is centered on a recent letter to a judge in Kerryville, who presides over a member’s foreclosure case. Second, the group’s history is marred by violence. Without Texas and the Mexico war the United States would need some other mechanism to acquire California and the Southwest. In 1997, under the leadership of Richard L. McLaren, the ROP kidnapped a Texas couple and held them against their will during a standoff with police. Latest book reviews, author interviews, and reading trends. 14 comments. Separatists Claim Texas Never Joined United States John Jarnecke, 72, president of the Republic of Texas, at his home in Fredericksburg, Tex. What if The Republic of Texas never joined the United States of America? Your subscription to 3 years ago. A new investigation into Buddy Holly's plane crash? Imagine that the settlers in Texas, despite being from America, were not as patriotic as they are in reality, and wanted an independent Texas. The group's members have grown notorious for hassling public officials with threats of legal action over a variety perceived grievances, according to the New York Times. or call us at 1-617-450-2300. Like other cotton-growing and slaveholding states, Texas seceded from the Union in early 1861 and joined the Confederate States of America. Maybe instead of gloobling it, you should read a book about Texas history written by a real historian. They have never tried to enforce their demands beyond writing amusing letters.”. logged you out. unless you renew or The Christian Science Monitor has expired. Archived. There is serious talk of "Texit" Since so many jobs have moved from these liberal states like California and Michigan here what would the benefits of Texas becoming it's own country? On December 29, 1845, Texas joined the United States. Anonymous. It is interesting as to how the U.S. would've been affected, and if … A handful of Texans believes that Texas never joined the United States of America and treat their state as a sovereign country. In the years after Texas joined the union, tensions over slavery and states’ rights mounted. In the 1930s, before becoming FDR's vice president, House Minority Leader John Nance Garner put forth a plan to split Texas into five states that would shift the balance of power from the northern states to the southern ones, according to Slate. Posted by 7 years ago. Stay informed about the latest scientific discoveries & breakthroughs. Gov. Texas had seceded from the Union on January 28, 1861. The letters may have been in violation of a law that prohibits the distribution of letters that mimic official summons or government documents, according the report. The conflict with law enforcement is based on a number of factors. - 2021 The Inquisitr. Republic members were there as part of a Valentine’s Day meeting to discuss policy, updates and other orders of business. Close. Let’s take a look at what our Union would lose without Texas: 1. While Texas has been part of various political entities throughout its history, including 10 years during 1836–1846 as the independent Republic of Texas, the current legal status is as a state of the United States of America. One month free trial to the Monitor Daily, Earl Nottingham/Texas Parks and Wildlife Department/AP/File. McLaren was arrested and charged with a number of felonies. Many at the meeting were representatives of the Republic of Texas, a group that believes the state never officially joined the United States, according to the Republic’s website. Sheriff Hierholzer is not so dismissive of the group’s intentions. Is there any legal backing to this group's claims that Texas maintained her independence all along? Maybe this would fall under a Greater Texas Republic. Although they did not initially join to a Confederate Union composed of other southern states which seceded, mutual protection demanded that a confederation be formed, and Texas became a part on March 22. RICK. Only after the bloodiest war in American history – the so-called Civil War, which is estimated to have killed up to one million soldiers and civilians – was Texas fully readmitted into the Union in 1870. First, the group constantly touts Texas’ independence because it never joined the United States Republic. Followeing the US Civil War on 30 March 1870 US Congress voted to readmit Texas to the Union. Your session to The Christian It's time to set the record straight on Texit and show them to be either misinformed or liars of the highest order. R. rost495. A local commissioner downplayed the importance and impact of a group that claims Texas never has joined the Republic. The judge was starting foreclosure proceedings on one of the Republic's members, and the group sent multiple letters asking the judge to provide, “proof of his authority for executing his claimed powers involving a foreign entity,” according to the New York Times. 3 years ago. It mandated that he provide “proof” of his authority to adjudicate the case over a “foreign entity.” Additionally, the letter included a warning that any documents provided will be handed over to the United Nations. Members have sent several letters that appear to be in an official government capacity. You can renew your subscription or "Texit is the result when reasoned logic meets the God-given Right of Self-Determination. In more contemporary times, former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, boasted on "Hardball with Chris Matthews" in 2009, that then-Texas Gov. Texas held a huge amount of territory, but very few people lived there. As tech giants recoil from Trump and Parler, is free speech at risk? Due to Texas's unique history, United States sovereignty over Texas has been disputed at times. 1 0. Science Monitor has expired. On February 1, 1861, delegates of the state of Texas resolved to secede from the federal Union of the United States of America. He is still serving out a sentence in a state jail. Removal of the western lands from the political control of the United States would significantly impact the issue of extension of slavery there. The short answer is an unequivocal 'no,' Texas has no more of a right to leave the union than the other 49 states, according to FiveThirtyEight. There is a secessionist movement afoot: hundreds of thousands of Americans from all 50 states have signed petitions to secede. hall in Bryan. Since Texas was a bastion of the Democratic party in those days, Garner was licking his chops at the opportunity to seat eight new Democrat Senators, but this proposal went nowhere. The country's worst healthcare provider. Take our quiz, Why the US Southwest is fighting daylight saving time. Do you think the claim by the group that says Texas never joined the U.S. Republic has merit? “You look at Waco, Timothy McVeigh, some of this ‘sovereign citizen’ stuff. Jarnecke, spoke to reporters about last month’s raid. On this day in 1845, six months after the Congress of the Republic of Texas voted for annexation by the United States, Texas was admitted into the Union as the 28th state. Texas isn't really part of America in my opinion and should have never joined the union. Not since Thomas Paine penned Common Sense in 1776 has there been a more eloquent, researched and concise argument for providing citizens with the unencumbered freedom to choose their own destiny. The most confusing thing I ever witnessed was this silly raid in 59 years of my life.”. “They’re a harmless, clueless and interesting group of generally nice older guys with too much time on their hands,” Jerry Patterson, a former Texas land commissioner, who had received letters from the Republic calling on him to vacate the office, told the New York Times. If you have questions about your account, please You don’t have a Christian Science Monitor According to the state's 1845 annexation agreement, Texas may be allowed for to divide into as many as five states without the approval of Congress. After Matthews pointed out to Delay that Texas did not in fact possess the right to up and leave the union, Delay referenced to the division clause. Alaska. share. report. #11885541 03/08/17: Joined: Jan 2005. Members meet monthly in sessions of “congress.” They believe in the sovereignty state so much that they have identification cards that claim diplomatic immunity. We The Texans who voted to leave the Union … Therefore, the referral of his group as secessionists is inaccurate, he claims. One such letter was sent to the governor of Oklahoma in 2011 with a warning that her state was “trespassing” on a territory that belongs to its “nation.” Within it contained threats of an “indictment” if Oklahoma does not cease and desist from “trespassing.”. “Certainly law enforcement has something else to do. “I don’t have a problem with this group, but when they do things that violate the laws of this state, then I have to take action. There’s radicals in everything we do. Treasury bond sales by Texas during the war were invalid, and the bonds were therefore still owned by the post-war state. Back in the 19th Century, Texas had a brief flirt with nationhood, and ever since, this notion of Texas as its own "country" has been our distinct identity and culture. share. This past Valentine's Day, a legal hearing for the Republic of Texas at a local Veterans of Foreign Wars hall was interrupted by state, local, and federal officials who raided the meeting and detained some of the group's members. The Times reported members carry identification badges and declare to Texas law enforcement officers that they are diplomatic representatives of the nation of Texas, in addition to minting their own gold and silver coins. 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Zetas drug cartel leader arrested, Mexican official says, most of the seats in the House of Representative, a condition of Texas' 1849 admittance to the union, allowed for to divide into as many as five states. Many at the meeting were representatives of the Republic of Texas, a group that believes the state never officially joined the United States, according to the Republic's website. Hear about special editorial projects, new product information, and upcoming events. Though no one was arrested, authorities seized cell phones and briefcases from some members, according to the report. Last month, the controversial “secessionist” group, led by John Jarnecke, was raided by several U.S. law enforcement divisions in Bryan, Texas. Posts: 53,588. It wasn't an easy transition for the Lone Star state, but it paid off. I know it's a moot point but I think it could've had some pretty far reaching consequences if Texas could've stuck it out for even another 20 years. Everything really is bigger in Texas. Those opposed to Texas becoming an independent nation love to reach into their bag of misinformation and claim that it's illegal for Texas, or any State, to leave the union. Despite the ongoing controversy and tension with police, he maintains that Texas never joined the U.S. Republic during the time referred to in history books — 1836 and 1845. Over the decades a handful of politicians had come along and tried to change the state's borders dramatically. The Republic will now be forced to carry official sessions at Ace Buffet and Grill in Waco, Texas, according the Republic's website. The ladies were armed with roses. A selection of the most viewed stories this week on the Monitor's website. A weekly update on music, movies, cultural trends, and education solutions. They simply said the group is comprised of old men and retirees who have nothing better to do with their time but write “harmless” letters. 0 0. subscription. “They came in looking like John Dillinger and the gang were hiding out. Sixteen years after Texas joined the United States, in January 1861, the Secession Convention met in Austin and adopted an Ordinance of Secession on February 1 and a Declaration of Causes on February 2. Additionally, they have their own currency used for exchange. In 1861, the Lone Star State seceded from the United States and joined the Confederate States of America. Prior to the Valentine's Day raid, authorities were looking into a series of letters sent to a judge in Kerrville, Texas. At that point, Texas would have joined the US in the war against Mexico. Dave Kroupa, a practicing chiropractor in Katy — and member of the Republic of Texas who signed the letter to the judge — weighed in on the raid. The short answer is an unequivocal 'no,' Texas has no more of a right to leave the union than the other 49 states, according to FiveThirtyEight. A gun battled ensued and a member was shot and killed. 33 comments. Additionally, several documents and phones were seized. Do their claims have any legal grounds? At 268,596 square miles, Texas is the second largest state behind only Alaska. The group’s attorney sent the judge a “subpoena” that ordered him to the meeting at the V.F.W. contact customer service Register Log In Home Forums Hunter's Campfire What if Texas hadn't joined the Union? Sam Houston had strongly opposed secession, and, after refusing to take the oath of allegiance to the Confederacy, he was removed from office.During the war Texans had to defend themselves from attacks by Native Americans, from Mexican encroachments, and from federal … In 2016, the British vote to leave the European Union prompted Gov. Greg Abbott to tell radio host Sean Hannity that Texas wants to be a leader in the United States, but not leave the Union. What if The Republic of Texas never joined the United States of America? I've been pondering how American history would've changed if Texas hadn't joined the Union. Once Texas had agreed to join the Union, she never had the legal option of leaving, either before or after the Civil War. ”) Test Number Therefore, the referral of his group as secessionists is inaccurate, he claims. “We in the Republic do not need to secede, because we never ceded it to them to start with.”. 82% Upvoted. Rick Perry was accurate in his assessment that Texas had a built-in right to secede. A weekly digest of Monitor views and insightful commentary on major events. Members of the Republic of Texas, a group who does not believe Texas ever legally joined the United States, have caused a stir by sending various legal declarations to state officials. This preview shows page 3 - 5 out of 5 pages.. TYT (“What if Texas Had Never Joined the Union?”) Feb. 7 Test Number One Feb. 12 – Political Parties 14 Chapter 4, GT Feb. 19 Elections Chapter 5, GT – 21 Iliev in TYT (“Voting and Elections in Texas”) Feb. 26 Interest Groups and Lobbying – 28 Chapter 6, GT Iliev in TYT (“Interest Groups in Texas. There were no arrests, but a number of the members were detained, questioned and fingerprinted. 1. Texas was the seventh state to secede and the last to secede before the firing at Fort Sumter signaled the start of the Civil War and forced citizens of the upper South to choose between fighting against or with their Southern brethren. The five most recent Christian Science articles with a spiritual perspective. All content © 2008 In 2012, the federal government ranked Texas as the worst healthcare provider in the country, as seen in the chart above from the Houston Chronicle. 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